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Tatonka
08-07-2007, 01:38 PM
Here is an article that I have used in my "real" business, I thought some of you may find interesting. In light of recently being at Loretta Lynn's, working with so many young families (some of whom are seeking that "factory ride") and my own kids registering for Kindergarten today - this has been on my mind a lot lately. My apologies for the table not being lined up properly below but I think you'll still get the jist of it!

Can Your Child Afford Not to Go to College?
By Bruce Vermeulen

Every so often, while helping one of my clients fill out forms for college savings accounts or financial aid for his or her son or daughter, the client confides that his or her child is reluctant to go to college. Given my line of work, I believe my clients expect me to provide guidance as to why their child should pursue a bachelor’s degree.

While I know a good education is the foundation of a child’s financial security, I don’t believe it’s my place to demonstrate the personal, social, and intellectual exploration that awaits them on a college campus. I can, however, provide my clients with some cold, hard facts about the current and future costs of college, as well as the salary gap that exists between college graduates and nongraduates.

How many zeroes was that?
According to the College Board,1 the tuition, fees, and room and board charges for in-state students at public colleges averaged $12,796 for the 2006–2007 school year. At a private university during that same year, those charges averaged $30,367.

The sobering reality for parents is that the cost of four years of college for their children will run four to seven times as much as their own education cost For a child born today, a college education will probably cost three to four times as much as it costs now.

If you’ve heard statements that suggest the cost of a four-year college education for a child born today will be in excess of $300,000, don’t go into shock. While this may be true for some, keep in mind that this number is based on the costs of the highest priced institutions. It also assumes gross prices, without taking into consideration that grants lower costs by 25 percent. If your child is bound for an expensive school, the good news is that the higher the cost of the institution, the more potential the student has to receive aid.

In any situation, however, with these large numbers staring at you it’s understandable why some parents and children may be reluctant to take on student loans, apply for financial aid assistance that seems to decrease each year, or commit to four years of learning that the child may not wholeheartedly want.

Think of it as a long-term investment, not an expense
While some students may look at college as a four-year vacation on Mom and Dad’s dime, they should be encouraged to look at it as a crucial key to their financial independence and one key to their ability to participate fully in today’s knowledge-based economy. Experts have measured the salary gap between high school graduates and college graduates, and the numbers are telling.

The U.S. Census Bureau conducts annual surveys of educational attainment. The following table illustrates some findings that can be derived from the 2006 survey data.2

Degree Annual Income
Age 18+: Lifetime Income Age 25–64:
All Workers Full-Time Year-Round Workers

High School Graduate $26,933 $1,531,400
Associate’s Degree $36,645 $1,920,680
Bachelor’s Degree $52,671 $2,742,160
Master’s Degree $66,754 $3,337,800
Doctoral Degree $91,370 $4,449,440
Professional Degree $112,902 $5,612,760

This shows that a bachelor’s degree recipient has lifetime earnings that exceed someone with just a high school diploma by $1.2 million, and a doctoral degree recipient has earnings that exceed someone with only a bachelor’s degree by $1.7 million.

With numbers like these, I believe it’s safe to say that education has never been more important to future financial independence.

1. Trends in College Pricing 2006 is based on data collected in the College Board’s Annual Survey of Colleges, 2006–07. It reports tuition, fees, and other charges for the current academic year, 2006–2007.
2. Educational Attainment in the United States: March 2006 published in March 2007, using 2005 income data. This data is collected as part of the national Current Population Survey.

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Bruce Vermeulen is a financial advisor practicing in Denver and owner of Trophy Financial Strategies, LLC. He offers wealth management and advisory services as a registered representative of Commonwealth Financial Network®—a member firm of the NASD/SIPC. He can be reached at bruce@trophyfinancial.com.

Macho393
08-08-2007, 03:06 AM
so how do we fiqure in a guy with a GED making over 60,000 a year? LOL, thats me. But I'm a machinist by trade. But in the big picture....my kids will go to college. The main reason is they will have the option of choices. I know plenty of college people who can and do bounce around into different types of work. The degree is a ticket that opens doors....

Tatonka
08-08-2007, 08:06 AM
College isn't a guaranteed ticket anywhere! The numbers used are averages (even taking into account machinists in Arkansas :lmao ). BTW, my brother-in-law never even got his GED, he runs a machine shop in Rochester, NY making well into 6 figures. :thumb

That little thing called a diploma does open some doors when used properly!

Riding the Metro
08-08-2007, 06:42 PM
My oldest son will be attending his first year in an ivy league college in just two weeks, I can't stress the importance of good grades throughout the elementary and high school years.
The savings earned on high academic achievements (grades) as well as Advanced placement courses and SAT scores is staggering.

Without the academic grants and special interest loans the 300K is very close to the out of pocket tuitions

Without a doubt, a degree from a prestigious college like Stanford, Brown, Princetown or Georgetown bring numerous opportunities not available otherwise.

First year out-of-college employees can earn in excess of six figures - not too bad for a 22 year old.

Post graduate degrees can earn in the mid six figure incomes- not bad for a 26 year old.

KTMissouri
08-09-2007, 11:01 AM
I do not think that those college degree vs. no college degree statistics tell the whole story. Bright motivated people with a positive attitude will succeed in life. Lazy non motivated people with bad attitudes will not. A large percentage of people that are the B, M, PA will attend college. I contend that they will succeed because of the type of people they are not necessarily the degree they have.

College is a decision that all people need to make based on their personal situation and plan going forward. My son is just finishing up 6 years in the Navy, he is a Nuclear Engineer on a Submarine. He is 25 years old and has 50K in the bank. (Read zero debt) Mom and Dad have given him nothing. Not because we couldn't, he wanted to make it on his own and he He now has 50K to spend on college in addition to his savings (GI Bill) if he chooses or he can go into the private sector. The starting wage for someone with his background and NRC certification is in excess of 70K per year.

Motivation, Work Ethic, fiscal responsibility is what we need to give our kids. Not entitlements and a free ride. Spend time with your kids teaching them these principals, don't spend more time at work trying to earn their college education.

Just my $.02.

50ccMoM
08-09-2007, 12:15 PM
Motivation, Work Ethic, fiscal responsibility is what we need to give our kids. Not entitlements and a free ride. Spend time with your kids teaching them these principals, don't spend more time at work trying to earn their college education.

Just my $.02.



Very well said Shawn. For years I have tried to figure out where my parents went wrong with me. I do not want my children to make the same financial mistakes that I did. I had a very rude awakening after high school. I was not prepared at all for what was to come.

Riding the Metro
08-09-2007, 04:31 PM
Yes, there are success stories without a formal education. The odds are stacked against you though.

To use an analogy:
There are roughly 1200 professional baseball players in any one season. Most have gone to "The Show" via college. Very unlikely that a player, however talented he may be would ever make it that far without a college education.

Likewise in the fields of medicine, biotechnology, literature, music, art and the sciences.

Of course their are exceptions, but why would anyone capable - financial or otherwise choose not to obtain a higher education?.

That's shooting yourself in the foot before you've begun.

fastlearner
05-30-2008, 07:41 PM
This is an old thread, but I'll pipe in and give the perspective of a high school vice principal.

I often tell kids the following:
"Great, you want to go into your father's business and become a plumber. That's awesome. Plumbers can make very good money and it's interesting work. However, you should consider college first. Go get a master's or doctorate degree. You can be a plumber with a doctorate, but if you change your mind, you can't be psychologist or lawyer without one."

Moral of the story: College = preparedness = choices. You can do great things without a degree, but the spectrum of choices you have is far more narrow.

CrazyTed
06-02-2008, 11:59 AM
I can only speak from my own personal experiences. I graduated high school but didn't go to college. While growing up and trying to find a job, my way was continually blocked by the fact that I didn't have a pedigree (i.e. a college degree). I ended up becoming a police officer. My upward career moves were again blocked by my lack of a degree. I ended up getting injured on the job and forcefully retired. Now I've struggled to try and do something more with my life but between the injury and the lack of the pedigree, it has been difficult. I ended up starting my own business but the lack of a storefront prevents me from ordering the good stuff to sell.
My only advice to anyone who will listen is, get the dumb degree. I don't care if it is a degree in nothing, as long as you have the paper...

David Bailey
01-31-2009, 11:02 PM
Degree is no guarantee but it does open some doors. It really doesn't even matter what the degree is in unless yo are going to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, accountant, etc.

I got my degree later in life and I'd recommend doing it right out of high school as it will be much easier. If you can't afford it, there are some great community colleges around and if that doesn't work join the military and use the GI Bill.